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    The Ongoing Wars in the Middle East: Official Thread

    Post by Maximus on Mon May 05, 2014 3:26 pm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_conflicts_in_the_Middle_East

    Date | Conflict | Location | Casualties

    • 1980–1988 | Iran-Iraq war[15][45][j] | Iran,  Iraq,  Kuwait | 1,000,000–1,250,000
    • 1984–2013 | Turkey-PKK conflict[46][verification needed] | Turkey,  Iraqi Kurdistan,  Iraq,  Federation of Arab Republics,  Syria | 30,000–100,000
    • 1986 | South Yemen Civil War[47] | South Yemen | 5,000–12,000
    • 1986 1986 | Egyptian Conscription Riot[48] | Egypt | 107
    • 1986 1986 | Damascus bombings[citation needed] | Syria | 204
    • 1987 | Iranian pilgrim riot (Mecca massacre)[49] | Saudi Arabia | 402
    • 1987–1988 | ANO Executions | Lebanon,  Syria | 170
    • 1989–1996 | KDPI insurgency (1989–96) | Iran | 1,000
    • 1990–1991 | Gulf War[33] | Iraq,  Kuwait,  Saudi Arabia | 40,000–57,000
    • 1991 1991  | uprisings in Iraq[44][50] | Iraq | 50,000–100,000
    • 1992–2000 | Terrorism in Egypt[51][page needed] | Egypt | 1,300–2,000
    • 1994 1994  | civil war in Yemen[citation needed] | Yemen | 7,000–10,000
    • 1995– | Islamic Insurgency in Saudi Arabia[citation needed]|  Saudi Arabia | 300
    • 1998 | Operation Desert Fox[23][24] (Iraqi no-fly zones) | Iraq | 2,000
    • 1999 1999 |Shia uprising in Iraq[8][52] | Iraq | 100–200
    • 2003–2011 | Iraq War[53][54][55][56][57][58][k] | Iraq | 109,032–150,726
    • 2003–2009 | Baluchi insurgency in Iran[59][unreliable source?][60] | Iran | 155–400
    • 2004 | Qamishli massacre (2004)[61][62] | Syria | 30–100
    • 2004–14 | Shia insurgency in Yemen[63][64][verification needed][65] | Saudi Arabia,  Yemen | 8,500–25,000
    • 2004– |Iran-PJAK conflict[citation needed] | Iran,  Iraqi Kurdistan | 588–747
    • 2006– |Fatah–Hamas conflict[66][67] Palestinian Authority, Flag of Hamas.svg |Gaza Strip | 600
    • 2007 |Nahr al-Bared fighting | Lebanon | 480
    • 2008 2008| Lebanon conflict| Lebanon | 105
    • 2009– | South Yemen Insurgency[68] | Yemen | 2,100+
    • 2009–2010 | Iranian election protests[69] | Iran | 72-150
    • 2010– | Yemeni al-Qaeda crackdown[70][71] | Yemen | 3,000+
    • 2011 | Egyptian Revolution of 2011 | Egypt | 846
    • 2011 | Bahraini uprising (2011–present) | Bahrain | 100+
    • 2011 2011 | Yemeni revolution | Yemen | 2,000
    • 2011– | Syrian Civil War | Syria | 170,000-210,000+
    • 2011– | Sinai insurgency | Egypt | 680+
    • 2011– | Iraqi insurgency (post-U.S. withdrawal) | Iraq | 17,500–21,500
    • 2011– | Syrian Civil War spillover in Lebanon | Lebanon | 450-475=
    • 2013– | Islamist unrest in Egypt (2013–present) | Egypt | 3,150+
    • 2014 | ISIS conflict | ongoing: preview also, See below





    I feel this topic need to be stickied. This part of the world has been a disaster-zone for the entirety of my lifetime. Makes you wonder why we even got involved there in the first place.

    Never forget the immortal words of Dick Cheney.



    Make you wonder how he wasn't prosecuted for war crimes.

    Unfortunately in America, we have short fleeting conceptions of history. Cannot see the big picture and are easily manipulated because we don't have a good understanding of the past.




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    Post by Maximus on Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:48 am

    The US and Iran are seeking to work together against ISIS. Wow!

    Iran has supplied Iraq with attack jets to help it counter an offensive by Sunni rebels led by the Islamist group Isis, strong evidence suggests.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28125687
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    Post by Maximus on Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:09 am



    Was watching this short video, briefly summarizing ISIS.

    It mentioned how ISIS and Saddam Hussien were Sunni's...but Saddam was a secularist, and ISIS are militant jihadist.

    If you have a powerful Sunni secularist on your payroll, why the fuck would you topple him in a region where militant jihadists are waiting to take over?!
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    Post by letlight on Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:29 am

    Couldn't you say the same thing about Assad except he is a sect of Shia.
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    Post by Maximus on Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:39 am

    What, that he's secularist?
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    Post by letlight on Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:40 am

    Correct
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    Post by Maximus on Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:12 pm

    Well, in comparison, militant jihadism has connotations of violent expansion. It's actually inherent in the script. It's not inherent in secularism, although I can give many examples of militant secularists. Secularism has a sense of flexibility, where as jihadism implies a particular method.
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    Post by letlight on Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:14 pm

    You missed my point. I was comparing toppling Assad to toppling S. Hussien.
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    Post by Maximus on Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:16 pm

    I'm not exactly sure as to what happened in Syria, at this current moment.
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    Post by letlight on Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:05 pm

    The comparison is Saddam was a Sunni leader in a majority Shia state, as Assad is a Shia leader in a majority Sunni state.
    Both considered secularist.
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    Post by letlight on Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:05 pm

    I would argue to keep Assad in power.
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    Post by Maximus on Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:00 pm

    The ME is a tangled situation of compounded problems.

    The nations that already exist in that region, were created by external powers, and were designed to be unstable without direct dependance on an external power.

    Maybe these artificial boarders need to be destroyed.
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    Post by letlight on Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:04 pm

    It reminds of the world right before WWI with all the interactions. Mixed interests, who is on whose side kind of thing. Very fascinating.
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    Post by letlight on Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:10 pm

    Karl Marx sure got it wrong. It's radical religious fundamentalism that is the revolutionary force in the world.
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    Post by Maximus on Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:05 pm

    Yeah, the flaw there, was also not recognizing that the rural worker is the true Marxist hero. And that the rural worker, is massively religious, doesn't seek rewards in this world, and would shy away from any atheist speaking about worldly "here-and-now" economics.

    Marx saw that religions, was usually the popular justification for a "divine-right-of-kings" and an abuse-of-power type of hierarchical social system. Early forms of capitalism were similar in abuses. Even to this day, notice that the 1%/capitalist-class, have "creator" in their self-proclaimed titles as "job-creators"


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    Post by Maximus on Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:07 pm

    Religious revolutionary fanaticism is explored in novels like Dune. The author, Frank Herbert, explores how zealotry can easily turn into tyranny.
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    Post by letlight on Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:18 pm

    It doesn't have to be religious to turn into tyranny.
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    Post by Maximus on Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:38 pm


    What I think is in common, for both religious and secular tyrannies, is a sort of absolute conviction and justification for enacting their atrocities. Like a destroying heathens, or infidels, or a wicked race, or a wicked class of people; because the truth is on your side, etc..

    Plato talked about the worst kind of tyranny, as being the type were executions are done out of fear. There's no higher truth or justice in the act of genocide. It's just done out of paranoia and wayward suspicions.
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    Post by Maximus on Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:46 pm

    ^^^

    We (The US) no longer uses the name "War on Terror" because it, as a title, is geopolitical indefensible. Interesting transition.
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